How would you define the “people’s choice casino”? Is it the one with the best games? Or the one with the largest number of games in the lobby? Could it be the one with the most generous promo offers?
The good folks at Red Stag casino claim that their venue provides the answer, and they continue by defining it as “a gaming environment that honors the hard working gritty individuals who punch in and give their best effort, day after day, year after year.”
“In return, Red Stag rewards those hard workers with a truly unique gaming environment where your hard work is honored and commended.” Doesn’t sound half bad, right?
These guys believe in determination, beauty, pride, and glory, and those are the values upon which they’ve built their online betting venue.
All the games in the lobby are provided by Wager Gaming, but it’s a neat selection that includes video slots, progressive jackpots, table games, and everything in between.
There are a whole slew of different promo offers to keep you on the edge, and you can also join their VIP club for even more perks and goodies. Also, we’d like to point out that there are many different banking options you can rely on.
All in all, Red Stag comes like a really cool place to be, so let’s take you on a tour, so you can decide whether it’s up to your liking.
Promotional Offers
Of course, we’re all in it for the sake of playing, but there is no player who can resist the tempting bonuses and promo offers, especially when they are so hefty like at the Red Stag Casino.
First things first, there is a welcome package for all new players, which brings about a healthy mix of match deposit bonuses and extra spins, just to get you started the right way.
Besides these, there is always something going on at the casino, so they have multiple promo offers on almost all days of the week. These are commonly match deposit bonuses or cashbacks, and they include Monday Mojitos, Wednesday Martinis, Wacky Wednesdays, Thursday Bloody Mary, and Saturday Sex On The Beach.
There are also Cashback offers, bonuses exclusive to Neosurf users, bonuses that can only be accessed via smartphone, bonuses made just for Bitcoin users, and an offer called the Chaser Bonus.
If you’re competitive enough, you can even try your hand at one of the many tournaments they have going at all times.
With each wager you make you will be awarded with comp points that can be redeemed for various prizes later on…
It would be rather surprising if they didn’t have a VIP club, wouldn’t it? There are six tiers, including Beer Club, Tequila Club, Rum Club, Vodka Club, Whiskey Club, and Champagne Club, and each one of these comes with its own unique goodies.
New Customer Offer. T&C’s Apply. 18+. 100 Free Spins on Dolphin Reef. Minimum deposit: $25. The maximum wager per single bet that is permitted, if playing with any portion of a welcome bonus, is 5$ and 10$ if playing with any other type of (non-welcome) bonus. Players from United Kingdom are required to wager their purchase and play bonus 40 times.
Sign Up Bonus
275% up to
$550
+ 100 Spins
- Code: -
- Wagering Requirement: 30 x ( bonus + deposit )
Players may only claim for one deposit at a time and the bonus must be claimed within 48 hours of the qualifying purchase being made. The cashback promotion offered by Red Stag is only available to players who choose not to use any of the other welcome bonus package. you have to do is contact our Support Specialists and they will gladly refund your account with a 25% of your first 7 deposits. This bonus has a 30 times wagering requirement on any game you like, except Craps, Baccarat and Roulette.
Cashback Bonus
25% up to
∞
- Code: -
- Wagering Requirement: 30 x bonus
PLUS 100 Free Spins on Fat Cat. Players from United Kingdom are required to wager their purchase and play bonus 40 times. The maximum wager per single bet that is permitted, if playing with any portion of a welcome bonus, is 5$ and 10$ if playing with any other type of (non-welcome) bonus. Red Stag Casino bonuses are not available to players in the following countries: Bulgaria, Greece, Poland, Romania, Russia, Ukraine, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Philippines.
2nd Deposit Bonus
175% up to
$350
+ 100 Spins
- Code: -
- Wagering Requirement: 30 x ( bonus + deposit )
What About the Games?
Now…
…let’s get down to business. This is where it all begins, and this is the very essence. This lobby may not be among the largest ones around, but it sure is well stocked and well organized. All the games are neatly segmented into several different categories
3 Reel Slots – These are more on the simple side of things and the list includes 3x Wild Cherry, Lucky 7’s, Cash Grab, Crazy Cherry, Double Gold, Triple Flamin’ 777, Fruit Loot Slot, Go For Gold, Goblin’s Gold, Haunted Reels, King Tut’s Treasure, Liberty 7s, Lucky Fruity 7s, Lucky Irish, Mega Money Mine, Monte Magic, Pay Day, Pay Dirt, Pinata Fiesta, Red White & Win, Royal Caribbean, Stocking Stuffers, Swept Away, Treasure Trail, Trick Or Treat, Triple 10X Bar Wild, Triple Gold, Triple Rainbow, Triple Triple Gold, Turkey Shoot, Turkey Time, Ultimate 10x, Wheel Of Chance, and Win Place Or Show.
Video Slots – Cleopatra’s Pyramid II, Down The Drain, Mile High, 20000 Leagues, Agent Cash, Amanda Panda, Amazing 7s, Arctic Queen, Bangkok Nights, Beat The Bank, Big Time, Big Foot, Birds Of Paradise, Black Magic, Butterflies, California Gold, Caribbean Gold, Cash Caboose, Cash Cow, Cherry Blossoms, City Of Gold, Cleopatra’s Pyramid, Cool Bananas, Coral Cash, Cupid’s Arrow, Daredevil Dave, Dog Gone It, Dolphin Gold, Dolphin Reef, Doctor Love, Dragon Master, Dynasty, Eastern Dragon, Fairie’s Forest, Farming Futures, Fat Cat, Fire Hawk, Funky Chicken, Funky Chicks, Funny Moolah, Game Day, Gladiator’s Gold, Gold Of The Gods, Golden Reels, Grail Maiden, Green Meanies, Hot Roller, Hurdy Gurdy, Independence Day, Ja-Man, Jester’s Wild, Jungle King, and dozens more.
Video Poker – Have you got your poker face on? Well, dig in and check out all these different variations of the highly popular game: Multi Hand Aces & Faces, Multi Hand All American Video Poker, Multi Hand Bonus Poker, Multi Hand Deuces Wild, Multi Hand Deuces And Joker, Multi Hand Double Joker, Multi Hand Jacks Or Better, Multi Hand Joker Poker, Multi Hand Tens Or Better, Aces & Faces, All American Video Poker, Bonus Poker, Jacks Or Better, Joker Poker, Deuces Wild, Deuces And Jokers, Double Joker, and Tens Or Better.
Blackjack – This one is clearly for all those blackjack aficionados, as it involves such gems as the Atlantic City Blackjack, Blackjack, Classic Blackjack, Downtown Vegas Blackjack, Perfect Pairs Blackjack, Progressive Blackjack, Vegas Single Deck Blackjack, and Vegas Strip Blackjack.
Table Games – This category is for all those who prefer their gambling the old school way. It consists of American Roulette, Atlantic City Blackjack, Blackjack, Classic Blackjack, Downtown Vegas Blackjack, European Roulette, Keno, Perfect Pairs, Progressive Blackjack, Caribbean Stud Poker, Red Dog, Tri Card Poker, Vegas Single Deck, and Vegas Strip Blackjack.
Progressive Jackpots – If you consider yourself a high roller, you definitely need to check out this category, as it comes with the following titles: 3X Wild Cherry, 7X Lucky Sevens, Mega Money Mine, Mine All Mine, Pay Dirt, Progressive Blackjack, Progressive Caribbean Stud Poker, Red White & Win, Reel Poker Slots, Stocking Stuffers, Treasure Trails, Ultimate 10x, and Win Place Or Show.
Other Games – Simply those who didn’t fit in with any other category: Keno and Reel Poker Slots.
Supported Devices and Platforms
Now, we’ve all seen quite a revolution taking place right in front of our eyes. For the past ten years or so, mobile devices have taken over, and everything is only a few clicks away now. The same can be applied to online gambling, as more and more players prefer new games on their mobile devices.
Luckily enough, Red Stag Casino was designed with mobile players in mind, and even though the design isn’t really the latest cutting edge, it looks pleasant enough, and works equally well across a vast array of different mobile and desktop devices.
Now you can enjoy all your favorite Wager Gaming titles anywhere you want, anytime you want, as long as you have a stable internet connection.
Banking Methods
Isn’t it great when a casino brims with various different banking methods? Yes, but it isn’t always easy catering to multiple markets, each with its own different rules and regulations.
Once you create an account and you wish to place some deposits, there are several options at your disposal. Those who like to use their credit and debit cards for all online payments will be delighted to find out that MasterCard and Visa are accepted here, but you can’t use them to make withdrawals. Minimum deposit is $25.
Those who prefer using e-wallets can place deposits with Neosurf and Sofort. Minimum deposit for Neosurf is $1, while the limitations for Sofort are as follows: $5 minimum deposit and $5,000 maximum deposit. Those who like to rely on e-wallets that can be used for both deposits and withdrawals need to create Skrill or Neteller accounts. Minimum deposits for these are $20, while the upper limit is set at $1,500. When it comes to collecting cash, the lower limit is $150, while the maximum withdrawal is $2,000 per week.
Those who prefer high levels of anonymity will surely appreciate the fact that deposits of as little as $1 can be made using PaySafeCard. The upper limit is $1,000 per transaction.
Do you have a crypto wallet? We’ve got great news for you, too! These guys will gladly accept payments made with Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, and Litecoin, and you can also make withdrawals using these cryptocurrencies. Minimum deposit for these is $25, minimum withdrawal is $100, while the maximum withdrawal is $2,500.
You can also make withdrawals by Cheque, but keep in mind that they won’t send any to a P.O. Box, and each transaction comes with a $30 fee! Minimum withdrawal is quite steep at $150, while maximum withdrawal is limited to $2,000 per week. Each one will take 5-7 business days, so arm yourself with patience.
| Banking Method | Deposit | Withdrawal |
|---|---|---|
 Bank Wire Transfer | ||
 Check/Cheque | ||
 MasterCard Credit | ||
 Visa Credit | ||
 Bitcoin | ||
 Litecoin | ||
 Bitcoin Cash | ||
 MasterCard Debit |
Customer Support
Have you ever had a bad experience with customer support? Well, if the answer is “yes”, you probably haven’t returned to the venue in question. Even though we always tend to measure how good a casino is by all the good stuff it offers, it is only when we get into some sort of trouble that we learn to appreciate the importance of properly laid out customer support service.
We strongly believe that it should begin with a nice, thorough FAQ page that gathers a lot of important info in one place and helps all players get a better grasp of what to expect at the casino. Such a page also saves a lot of time for both players and casino staff. Unfortunately, the folks at Red Stag Casino don’t understand the importance of an FAQ page, so they don’t have one.
What does this mean? It means you will have to reach out to the CS agents each time you have the tiniest question. There are three ways of doing so. Let’s check ‘em out, shall we?
First off, you can sit down at your computer, grab yourself a cup of coffee, and start writing your email. Once it’s done, send it, and be prepared to wait for a reply, in spite of the fact that the casino staff really does work around the clock. Once you receive a reply, maybe they will ask for more info, just to clarify your issue, and so on and on and on…
As you can see, this isn’t really the fastest means of communication, but then again, if you prefer it over the other options, make sure you address all your inquiries to [email protected].
Live chat platform is a much better option, as it gives you the opportunity to present your troubles in written form, but you can type away all of them in a matter of mere minutes, as a real, live agent will be handling them.
Last but not least, there is phone support for those who don’t like to type much. If you prefer hearing the voice of a real live agent, pick up the phone and dial +61 1800 512 413, and keep in mind that this is a toll free number for all those who call from Australia. Players from the US can rely on another toll free number: 1 888 281 3640.
Licencing
The Red Stag Casino has a license issued by the Government of Curacao, but there is no evidence of it to be found anywhere on the site, so you will have to take our word for it.
Even though this may come off as questionable in terms of safety and security, let’s just point out that there are fairly comprehensive pages dedicated to security, fair gaming, and responsible gaming, so you can’t really say these guys don’t care about their customers.
Restricted Countries
Countries that are not allowed to register at ‘Red Stag’ include:
Canada, France, Israel, Netherlands, Panama, United Kingdom
Recent Comments
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for me is enough when casino sends me spammy physical mail. that is highest level of annoyance and more than enough reason for me to avoid the casino.
Really dislike this casino. I have more issues with slow connection and constantly have to refresh. Game choice is blah and very boring in my opinion.
Still absolutely love REDSTAG! the reps have always been jus as helpful, n patient w explaining everything that I have ever been confused about. Which usually happens alot lol. Theres a handful that I chat with on a regular basis (bc they’re always working and I’m always needing help figuring things out lol) and say a bout w weeks go by and we haven’t chatted, when we finally di its always. Hey where ya been, was starting worryn hope kids r doin good, hows homeschooling for everyone… as if we’ve been BFF since grade school. Now I’ve yet to cash out or attempt to cash out so cant say much on that but as of now… well its almost like family lol
Hard to believe that OddsOn was once the best platform out there. W-G-S has ruined a perfectly good platform. The games are tight as hell, and after $30,000 in deposits – I have not had ONE cashout – let that sink in. I reached out to the casino rep, never heard a peep. Don’t make the same mistake I did. This is the old Golden Casino of years back, and unlike the English Harbour Group, Golden was a scam site, and even rebranded, still is today. Avoid!
I signed up for redstag casino, I registered and won and met the requirements to withdraw I sent my details for evaluation after 3 days of reviewing my account and everything is fine, they close my account with nothing more and nothing, evidence of what I say no
recommend
I had bad experience first by you can find fault with the fact that some games do not load, that sometimes something freezes, but such problems are found in every casino, But getting blocked for anything is very wrong
Red stag is my favorite casino to play at the games they have to play I really enjoy a lot. My favorite games the right now is manga cash, Vegas party, and tailgate blitz. The customer service reps at red stag are also some of the best customer service reps I have dealt with at any casino.
I can tell that this one is not bad for one game. I bet 50 EUR but haven’t win that much. I wish there were more bonuses
Site is ok, problems with going slow and also being very basic, lacks the variety that alot of other sites have, I played my free sign up bonus, I deposited twice but was not worth it for me!
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I dont suggest this game to play
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Hi every one
I just signed in and redeemed BUTTER66 ..it was amazing ..got 66 free spins on BUTTERFLIES II with 0.25 bet and I made 30.22 usd …
And I got 17 usd in single spin just awesome
Thank u very much
Red Stag is awesome! They aren’t greedy with freebies as long as you have deposited previously.. i went months without depositing and still received free bonuses via text
Got $ 15 as no Deposit Bonus. Not easy to win in this casino. After 71 Spins was able to win only $ 3.5 in Mystic Spins.
Awful. Absolutely awful. I have deposited well in excess of $25,000 – I’m in the “VIP Tier” next to the top, and I have NOT had ONE withdrawal. How on God’s green Earth does this casino garner a 4.3!? The people are friendly, and I believe my Host to be genuine, but this… this is ridiculous. Somebody must be winning something, but it sure as hell hasn’t been me. WGS used to be a great platform when it was OddsOn. Now the games rarely hit for anything impressive, the bonuses ghost you. I’m even given rollovers at 15x and I STILL can’t even get close to winning! If there is a casino rep on this forum, I’d like to hear from them. How in the hell can a person with my deposit level, with low rollovers not have ONE payout after my amount of deposits!? Scandalous! Disgusting!
Red Stag is awesome! They aren’t greedy with freebies as long as you have deposited previously.. i went months without depositing and still received free bonuses via text
I love playing at Red Stag! They have fun games and lots of daily tournaments! I love playing the several free tournaments that they have everyday. They also have very good promotions and will usually grant free spins if you write into support and ask if you’ve deposited recently. They take care of their players. I would definitely recommend this casino.
Absolutely love the amazing live chat agents! VIP host are awesome! Easy to chat with at anytime.
I love, love, love this casino. The staff is super friendly and the graphics are top notch. Would definitely recommend.
I love Red Stag Casino. Because they have tournaments. Some are no charge need. But unfortunatly fee free tournament is often opened. Sometime they give me a chance to join in a charged tournaments. It makes me happy. Although I am not a depositor, I am enjoying with this casino.
A lot better than some of the others offering the same software deposits are easy and cash-outs aren’t they don’t take that long compared to some of the other ones instant bitcoins video these days they need to catch up
red stag offers one freeroll tourney a day also has a one cent tourney that u can enter i liked the freeroll but it starts u out with $20 only so not much to start with.
Alot of bonuses, plenty of tournaments, cool WGS games with old style look. I wasnt lucky at all on any of these games but i was able to play for a while for my deposit and i like this casino. Withdrawal went fast when i requested one.
I only played once at this casino, with a no deposit bonus. nothing won, yet I find this casino good.
Love this casino. Haven’t withdrawn anything yet but I will eventually lol. Great customer service department. Would recommend to anyone.
A good casino overall , i played blackjack only here but nothing too complain , only my greed which made me loose money 🙂
Honestly a good set up only issue was someone else signed up using my wifi and losty 160 dollar winnings
Hands down the best casino I play at. I was put on the VIP list but even without it they have comped me so many bonuses and been great to me so far! No complaints.
I’ve had a couple arguments over bonus terms and conditions with these guys I don’t feel the most consumer-friendly as far as terms of service I feel like you know if you have a dispute with certain groups nowadays even if they think you are wrong they will still be customer friendly and provide you with something a long time ago these guys just bloked my account but then allow me to make another account later which at the time was cold but now it’s so many options out there looking back it was an okay proposal
Love this casino friendly support members always willing to help and solve problems fast. Love the tournaments always fun and can be quite addictive. I highly recommend giving them ago. You won’t be disappointed and you’ll love the game varieties they offer have a few favorite games that I always play when I deposit and if I win on tournaments. A+++
Took over 6 months for the casino to finally cancel my account due to a disagreement between myself and the casino management. I found their loyalty and honesty towards its players to be very disappointing and not to be as the site advertises will never go back again
Great casino, I really like the tournaments that they offer. Great slot machine, they need to offer more free spins.
Great looking casino that gives a false impression. It’s highly inconsistent and the moderators or the programming know when your winning. Then all of a sudden a drastic change. Played here from time to time for over 4 years. Not recommended.
Lemur1230 I totally agree with you. More if your a new player. If u deposit your out the freebie game..lol
i normally dont play here but since the shop items are limited for the Netherlands i give it a try but i dont like the games that much , i played the tournaments but got restricted and needed to deposit now i have maybe i go play the tournaments . with the slots you can win nice but money is gone faster then i normally used to .but for redeeming a shop item for the 5 lcb chips you need its a good casino for that.
I was in love with the games on this site first time playing. I won big and i mean hundreds of dollars like i did not think it was real lol until i was able to withdraw. Their verification is very quick and their support is always available. There are a few support that arent very friendly but other then that i enjoyed their bonuses and slots! very nice but i just wish they had more freebies for depositing players. It seems the only freebie they give is the ones for new players that sign up. .
I don’t believe I ever cashed out on this site. But I did on one of their sister sites and so they dont allow me a bonus deposit here or any other of their sites. They cut you off as soon as you remotely resemble a winning player. Not a fan of that mess.
Try this casino in the other day! : The registration form, it is easy. currency. The mobile version, works fine and has live games, which for me, it is the best feature! The bonus i was able to redeem, only allow play the slots, so, all the other games were left untested!
Just claimed the grab44 code and won a whopping $ 0.33
I would be pretty upset if I spent money on that slot.
Hi SassyGirlMe,
Could you please private message me your casino username so we can ask the casino rep to look into it?
I won a 55K jackpot at first my payments were weekly for the first 3 payments (you can only withdrawal $2500 weekly) not my fourth payment is now delayed by 3 week. How are they going to complete my entire winnings? If they are playing me now and it does not come close to the entire 55k WHEN do you think they will complete the entire payment? This is not cool at all I first was told they sent the payment on Feb 4th well it only take 24 to 48 hours for a wire transfer. I asked for a ref number to trace they did not have one. Well that means they did not send it. Red Stag has told me 2 times a week at least they sent it which in fact they have not. This is not cool at all. Ref stag needs to release my money. I will send reviews to every single site that promotes Red Stag to advise people what happens when you win big ….nothing happens they lie about sending you money thats what happens.
I love playing at Red Stag. I find the customer support excellent. I claimed the 15.00 bonus but did not have any luck at all. I love the games. I hope they have a new one coming out soon. Its time.
I’m little frustrated with Red Stag at the moment because it is taking 5 days to receive a bitcoin withdrawal trans. I made on Feb. 3rd for $100, and this is my first attempt to withdraw. The support is usually awesome, but lately they haven’t been answering my questions in the casino mail (and my casino mail was down all week and nobody would answer my questions I sent in my regular e-mail to [email protected]. It’s been a frustrating week with them.
Then…when I chatted with “Ralph” in Live Support yesterday, it’s as though he was laughing at me and let the chat without answering my questions. I generically copy and pasted the conversation because the downloaded version does NOT give us the option to send the chat to our e-mail. Here’s a copy of the chat from yesterday (and I still have not received my money):
“Hi. I made a $100 withdraw request a few days ago and still haven’t received it. I have e-mailed support but I still have not received a reply. Also, my mail in my downloaded and online flash version of the casino is still down and can not check those messages as well. I don’t even see a copy of the crypto address so I could check my withdrawal on my end? Please help.
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This morning I messaged them (my casino mail was fixed/working this morn.) but I have still not heard a word from them. Sooooo disappointing and FRUSTRATING. SO SAD. Because when you are depositing and have questions….Support is right on it, but when you are withdrawing…slooooow, unanswered questions, a little rude and the mail goes down???? All I can say now is “I’ll be back if I receive my withdrawal.” (Not sure how to rate Red Stag right now). 🙁
Really different rules as far as the bonuses go, in a great way!!!! If you want to claim your bonus AFTER, you’ve already played, contact support and they will credit your account! I had made 2 deposits in a 2 day period. If it’s within 48 hours, you get your bonus! Love this casino ? ❤️ ?! Great customer service also!!!! ?
I like this casino but it makes me sad that I wasn’t able to get the first no deposit bonus because of the restricted locations and stuff.
This casino is fine but should’ve been better if they update their rules and policies on time,. They do have a few lists of restricted locations that aren’t eligible to join while some locations are accepted however,at this point, they can be a member but they don’t get to experience the games first before maybe deciding to make deposit because they are not eligt for any FREE/NO DEPOSIT/SIGN UP BONUSES… well, that’s fine as long as the person read, understood and agreed w/ the policy before signing up (atleast they are AWARE!!)… but, the catch is that redstag casino are all around casino blogs and sites their links and banners are very convincing to the point that you really want to give it a shot and ended up signing up for registration.. but as soon as your in and had that urge to go get that bonus it’ll give this message “SORRY BUT YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FIR THIS BONUS”… wow!.. like even as for your understanding that you’ve read the terms that your location is not included in whatever restriction lists that they have you’ll end up knowing (via CHAT/LIVE SUPPORT) that your location was included in the list and
that they are sorry for not letting the posted policies updated … Blah blah blah.. but you can still play provided that you needed to (TAKE RISK) DEPOSIT… Great! Well why would you invest to something you haven’t even tried and tested yet,…
If you enjoy old school slots, this is the site to play. They have some newer, but mostly machines that mirror what’s on a casino floor. They have great bonuses, VIP Hosting (Brother Juan). I have to admit that I’m in thousands of dollars and have yet to have a cashout, but I’m still keeping my fingers crossed to finally have my luck change to the better. The Odds On/WGS platform is good and stable, and if you prefer the download client, it is out there… but its getting harder to find, as they are moving toward a flash only site. I prefer the download client, it has the “free games” that you can “practice”, where as the non-download doesn’t. My only issue is that the bonuses don’t hit all that often – no matter what game. I typically play what is considered high limit, and compared to the local “brick and mortar” casinos, the online slots really have no – differentiation when playing at higher amounts. In other words, if you have your game set at 20 cents a spin or $200 a spin, the payout is the same. And this is with any online site, and I would like to see that change because when you’re wagering large amounts, the payouts should indeed be set higher. But overall, OddsOn/WGS is my favourite platform.
i like this site – they have really good and fun freeroll tourneys each day – not a lot of bonuses though
Just played my free $5.00, I only played two slots but I kept getting the bonus and at one time I was up to I think $110.00. So I bet a little more, well it went in a hurry , Should have tried to CASH it. Was fun anyway.
After I wrote my last review the supervisor of the customer care team contacted me. Finally he founded a solution that I could get the no deposit bonus. Thanks Leo from Red Stag and Sidney from LCB for your great support. Thumbs up!
No Players from Germany where accepted for the no deposit bonus to get the 5$ Free chip. All the other codes shown above didn’t work. Frustrating experience….